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CmnLn Elec Exch: 4/16 Minutes
CommonLine Electronic Exchange subcommittee minutes for 04/16/98.
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Russ Judd Great Lakes rjudd@glhec.org
Scott Fullerton* Great Lakes(Chair) sfullerton@glhec.org
Brian Wilson* Great Lakes bwilson@goliath.com
Karl Ebert SLMA 105502.3154@CompuServe.Com
John Falconer SLMA
Frank Hum SLMA franklin.r.hum.jr@slma.com
Libby Meeker SLMA Libby.Meeker@SLMA.com
Gary Thomas SLMA 70664.401@compuserve.com
Mike Nolan PHEAA mnolan@pheaa.org
Darwin Peiffer* PHEAA dpeiffer@pheaa.org
Terry Zuch PHEAA tzuch@pheaa.org
John Hall PHEAA
Linda Laub PHEAA llaub@pheaa.org
Jeff Knass USA Group jknass@usagroup.com
Brian Allison* USA Group BALLISON@usagroup.com
Ron Clark USA Group rclark@usagroup.com
Paul Logston* USA Group plogston@usagroup.com
Mike Brannon USA Group MBrannon@usagroup.com
Matt Parrett USA Group mparrett@usagroup.com
Paul Jansen USA Group pjansen@usagroup.com
Jon Kroehler USA Group
Ki Ha* NELA kiha@nela.net
Gary Burleson TGSLC gary.burleson@tgslc.org
Kelly Klipple TGSLC kelly.klipple@tgslc.org
Will Thien* TGSLC will.thien@tgslc.org
Warren Sherard Edfund wsherard@edfund.org
Patrick Walters SLFC waltersp@slf.org
Gad Hazum Access ghazum@accessgrp.org
Ed McGowan ESF emcgowan@esfweb.com
Ruth Smith* NYHESC rsmith@hesc.com
Kevin Malmberg NYHESC kmalmberg@hesc.com
Mike Schoeppler* NYHESC mschoeppler@hesc.com
Betty Hansman ISAC bhansman@isc016r1.state.il.us
Mike Yip ISAC
Debbie Phillips* ISAC dphillip@isc016r1.state.il.us
Fred Highsmith* Guarantec fhighsmith@guarantec.com
Tim Hearley* KHEAA thearley@kheaa.com
Mark Lifland Nellie Mae mark_lifland@nelliemae.com
Goeff Boisvert Nellie Mae geoff_boisvert@nelliemae.com
Doug McCaleb* Nellie Mae doug_mccaleb@nelliemae.org
Tom Jurado AFSA twjurado@aol.com
Bill Horn* College Foundation whorn@cfi-nc.org
Dawn Harris College Foundation dharris@cfi-nc.org
* = present
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*SUMMARY*
Topics discussed:
CompuServe/AOL update(Brian Allison reporting), Short-term Strategy, Evaluation
Procedures, Product Update, Reconsidering our approach.
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1) *COMPUSERVE/AOL UPDATE: (Brian Allison)*
Brian summarized the very reassuring report he placed on the CLEE ListServe
Q. How long we can expect old mail to remain available?
A. As has been CompuServe's answer in the past, Teemu said there is no date for
retiring old mail.
Q. How many other customers are still using oldmail?
A. Teemu said this information is confidential, but he did say that there are
tens of thousands still using old mail. When I asked if the Airline Industry
was one of those customers, he said he could not divulge that information.
Q. How much lead-time we can we expect before they withdraw it?
A. He said CompuServe will give 18 months notice before terminating oldmail.
2) *SHORT TERM STRATEGY*
The group felt we should send a follow-up message after our Armageddon
announcement that includes the following:
- advise CommonLine members that while it would be prudent to have a
contingency in mind should oldmail be unexpectedly withdrawn before the new
encryption standard is put in place, the likelihood of such a thing happening
during the summer/fall processing season seems very unlikely.
- provide an update on the efforts of the group to find a replacement.
- discuss the strong possibility the replacement product might not support
16-bit applications.
Scott agreed to draft this message and submit it to the group for review.
3) *PRODUCT INQUIRY/EVALUATION PROCEDURES*
a> Selection Criteria/Requirements
The group reviewed and approved the requirements listed in the 4/09 minutes.
In addition, members offered guidelines suggesting two more requirements:
- the product be viable in the marketplace
- the company be sound
b> Selection Time-Frame
The group set a tentative deadline of July 1 to complete the evaluation and
selection
c> Evaluation Procedures
The group felt to assess the suitability of a product, the team must have the
actual development tools and end-user products installed for testing. They
should compile demonstration programs.
4) *PRODUCT UPDATE*
a) RSA DSI (Brian Allison summarizing 4/15 CLEE Listserve message, "Report on
two items: CompuServe's Existence and Pricing with RSA")
Brian's Report:
I ... talked with Brian Spector concerning the pricing of the RSA software and
development toolkit. I will bullet the points of discussion.
- RSA wants to offer a non-royalty contract with rights to distribute for$25.00
per user seat. This assume a minimum group purchase of 1,000 copies. The
toolkit will be $290.00. Toolkits already distributed will not be charged.
- RSA is a very small company and therefore cannot get into the business of
offering multiple or varied contracts. RSA wants one contract (basically its
boilerplate contract) with NO addendums. I mentioned that the sub-committee had
already been down this road and that we decided it could not be done. I
questioned of one entity bought the software could it "sell" it to other
entities at cost. He said yes. This will definitely have to be talked about at
the sub-committee level.
- Support is 17% of the purchase price per year. This is the company's premiere
support contract. Brian is faxing me information on what this entails. I asked
if one company purchases the software and then distributes to multiple
organizations, how is support handles. he said he will allow one contact per
organization that the software is given (sold)to.
Discussion:
The group considered the feasibility of two alternative means of consolidated
purchase
- having NCHELP purchase and resell the licenses.
This alternative was considered worth pursuing. Scott agreed to follow up with
Karen Haney.
- having a larger "civic-minded" member agency purchase and resell the
licenses.
Most considered this unfeasible or at least not worth pursuing except as a last
resort.
The group also discussed legal issues involved. There was a good deal of
speculation about the possible pitfalls with this. Questions that arose were
- whether NCHELP would have to set up licensing terms when it sub-licensed the
product.
- if so, whether they would be individualized with each of the purchasers.
- what liability the reseller incurred.
It was finally agreed that Brian Allison would discuss these issues with Linda
Laub. He received a "boilerplate" licensing agreement from Brian Spector. He
would pass this along to her for review.
b) Information Security Corporation/AT&T (Tim Hearly, Scott Fullerton)
Tim and Scott reported on the state of negotiations to obtain evaluation copies
of the product - still in progress at the time of the meeting.
c) Krypto-tech and Entrust (Dawn Harris)
Dawn was not at the meeting to report.
d) Sterling Software (Dave Leonard)
Sterling, as it turns out, uses a symmetric algorithm. For this reason the
group agreed not to pursue this.
5 *RECONSIDERING OUR APPROACH*
Paul Logston suggested we might make more progress by sticking with *standards*
and avoiding evaluating *products*. If, for example, we all agreed to the
S/MIME standard, then it would be up to each agency to work out the selection
and purchase of products.
Discussion:
- Does this assume an open standard?
- There should be an adequate representation of products that support the
standard.
- Products that are compliant to the standard should be mutually compatible
when it comes to encrypting, authenticating and decrypting.
We will discuss this further at the next meeting.
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NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING:
Thursday 4/23/98 10a.m. central time. The number to call is (800) 374-8567.
When asked for the name of the conference, reply "CommonLine Electronic
Exchange." If asked for the host's name, reply "Scott Fullerton"
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Agenda
1) Report on CompuServe/AOL support for CBA using oldmail (Scott Fullerton)
2) Evaluation updates (evaluation team)
3) Purchase negotiation updates
a) RSA DSI (Brian Allison, Linda Laub (assuming she is available))
4) New products to consider (group)
5) Standard vs. Product (group)
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